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Published 17 August 2026 · Editorial summary by Listenly based on the real audio episode · Topics: Circle Academy · McKinsey Women at Work report · Shape Talent

How does The Circle Partnership define "mid-level" for the purposes of its Circle Academy programme?

The Circle Partnership deliberately avoids imposing any age bracket or grade threshold on the term "mid-level." Instead, it invites applicants to self-define where they stand — and in practice, Circle Academy participants have ranged in age from 23 to 55, united not by seniority but by a shared sense that there is further to go.

How self-definition works in practice A 23-year-old who is accelerating fast may self-identify as mid-level in terms of ambition and career trajectory. A 55-year-old who feels she has not progressed as she would have wished — due to life choices, career interruptions, or structural barriers in the construction sector — may equally identify with that stage. The label belongs to the individual, not the organisation.

Co-founders Vanessa Murray and Ceri Moyers acknowledge that this breadth of age and stage creates a genuine challenge: making the community-building element of the Circle Academy feel relevant and coherent across a 30-year span of participants' lives. That tension is one they openly name rather than paper over. The approach reflects a broader philosophy: the construction sector loses mid-level women at a disproportionate rate, and the first step to addressing that is meeting each woman where she actually is — not where an HR grading system says she should be. You can explore the full episode on Listenly's Pegasus Radio page.

"If you fix the women in inverted commas, you're not doing anything. If they're going back into a culture which isn't changing, you're still going to have the same problem."

— Vanessa Murray, Co-founder, The Circle Partnership

About Vanessa Murray

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Vanessa Murray
Co-founder · The Circle Partnership

Vanessa Murray co-founded The Circle Partnership alongside Ceri Moyers, drawing on her background in the property side of the built environment sector. Over the six to seven years since the business launched, Murray and Moyers have built recognised expertise in the specific challenge of retaining and advancing mid-level women in construction and property — a demographic the sector consistently fails to keep. The Circle Partnership operates two complementary arms: the Circle Academy, a structured development programme combining mentoring and peer community for women who self-identify as mid-level, and a consultancy practice that advises organisations on the cultural and structural changes required to make retention gains sustainable. Murray's authority on this question comes not from a theoretical vantage point but from years of running a programme whose very design — the self-definition of "mid-level" — is itself a response to what she and Moyers observed happening inside construction businesses: that conventional grade-based categorisations were causing the sector to overlook and under-serve a wide and diverse group of women it could not afford to lose.

See also

What does The Circle Partnership say about the role of line management in employee retention in construction?
The co-founders, supported by the host's recruitment experience, identify poor line management as the single most commonly cited reason people leave jobs. Investing in line managers — their skills, behaviours, and accountability — is one of the most direct levers organisations have for improving retention.
What does The Circle Partnership's male listening exercise reveal about why gender equality in construction is not progressing?
The male listening exercises revealed that men are fully aware of the research and the challenges women face — there was no meaningful gap in knowledge. The barrier to progress is not ignorance but a lack of will to change within a system and culture that has existed for a very long time.
Why is mid-level management the most neglected stage for training and development in construction firms?
The co-founders observe that corporate training investment is typically concentrated at the graduate entry level and at senior leadership preparation, leaving the mid-level — where retention risk is highest — chronically underfunded and overlooked by most construction organisations.
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