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Published August 18, 2026 · Editorial summary by Listenly based on the real audio episode · Topics: Ordinary To Badass · Marie Sonneman · Dina Johnson Lee

How do workplace relationships change after a woman gets promoted to a leadership role?

Once promoted, some friends become distant, coworkers stop sharing information freely, and people grow noticeably more careful around you. Your role changed overnight — even if you didn't — and some colleagues will explicitly refuse to maintain a friendship with someone who now supervises them.

In Episode 451 of the Ordinary To Badass podcast, host Marie Sonneman covers eight things nobody tells women before their first promotion. The relationship shift sits at the core of that list, and Sonneman describes it with uncommon honesty: leadership can feel lonelier before it ever feels rewarding. She recalls a colleague who told her directly — face to face — "I just don't want to be bossed around by my friend." The friendship didn't fade quietly; it ended with a stated reason. That kind of explicit boundary, drawn by someone else, is something most new managers are never warned about.

The information flow dries up too. Before the promotion, colleagues talk openly — gossip, frustrations, informal updates. Afterwards, those same people filter what they share, aware that you now carry authority over decisions that affect them. You stop being one of the group. None of this reflects a failure on your part; it's a structural reality of the supervisory role. Knowing it's coming, as Sonneman argues, is the difference between feeling blindsided and navigating it with confidence. You can listen to the full episode on Listenly.

"If people like you but they don't trust your judgment, you have a popularity problem, not a leadership advantage. Trust lasts longer than approval."

— Marie Sonneman, Ordinary To Badass, Episode 451

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How did Kim Porter build HatchOne and use TikTok to grow an engineering community?

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Why does Kim Porter believe new engineering disciplines like biomedical and environmental engineering have better gender representation than mechanical engineering?

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